[Bug]: oversteering in one direction creates immediate sharp turn in opposite direction.

[Dumpster73]

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Calibration of the Logitech G29 Wheel is problematic. In order to recreate the feel of the arcade I calibrate the wheel in game by turning about 135 degrees in each direction. The gameplay is spot on to the arcade by doing this. The problem is that the wheel can physically be turned further and if you do the car on screen immediately switches to a hard turn in the opposite direction. You can get around this by calibrating to a position further than you'd ever need to turn, but this changes the handling requiring much more of a turn to move the car than the arcade version did. I think this may be an issue with the original game rather than the tweaks specifically but I'd imagine it's a simple fix, just to ensure the value set in calibration is capped in game regardless of the wheel position. In other words, if the calibration sets the wheel range from -135 to +135, just ensure the value doesn't exceed this during gameplay. By the way, thank you for Outrun Tweaks, it's awesome.

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It sounds like the issue could be with the wheel software there, I'd guess once it's calibrated that way, going past where you calibrated might be making the wheel driver send the opposite direction instead.

Not sure what the best way to detect this would be, maybe some check that looks at the value from the last input, if you were turning toward the left and then we suddenly get a full right turn input, then drop it - but this would cause issues for keyboard where left/right buttons act like a full press :/

What way did you use to calibrate the wheel? I do have a G29 packed up I could try testing with (can't guarantee when I can get it out though) - did hope to add proper support for Logitech wheels in Tweaks with it but looks like SDL only supports these wheels on Linux :(

[Dumpster73]

I have done a bit of experimentation. The Logitech G Hub allows calibration between 180 and 900 degrees but these changes are not reflected in the game. This is an issue with the original PC game, regardless of whether tweaks is installed. I communicated with S0L, one of the original programmers and he told me that the game wasn't tested with all wheels at the time and modern wheels.An work differently. If you don't calibrate at all in game the steering is very loose (900 degrees but it does steer, albeit uncontrollably. Setting the in game calibration to about 135 degrees each way makes the handling arcade quality, but any oversteer above this value causes the jolt to the other extreme.

[Dumpster73]

Wanted to add, I was playing Project R, the San Fransico Rush remake and looking at the wheel settings in that game. It let's you adjust the wheel in a way I think would be beneficial to OR2 Tweaks. There is a display on the settings screen that looks like a V shape. Theres a dot at the bottom and turning the wheel left or right move the dot up the corresponding side. You can adjust the width of the V shape to represent where the wheel ends. So for example, you turn the wheel 135 degrees to the right and the wheel is reporting a value. The value increases as you turn, and when you get to 135 you're at the top of the V. Then as you continue to turn the dot moves horizontally. In other words, the game is capping the value at 135 even though you are still turning. The force feedback kicks in to make the wheel harder and harder to turn. You could end up turning the wheel to about 150 or more, but the game is reporting that anything over 135 remains at 135. The extra turning of the wheel is t making any difference but it's not causing any problem either. The game still feels right even if those extra degrees of movement are not doing anything.

I noticed that tweaks has the option of changing the controller settings in the ini file. Perhaps some steering wheel calibration options in that section would be helpful. I've certainly donate if I could play this game with the wheel .